{"id":5454,"date":"2018-04-26T16:25:11","date_gmt":"2018-04-26T16:25:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.expoflamenco.com\/archivo\/uncategorized\/silverio-franconetti-vive-2\/"},"modified":"2019-03-02T01:11:59","modified_gmt":"2019-03-02T00:11:59","slug":"grandpa-gypsies-and-the-birth-of-flamenco","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/expoflamenco.com\/archivo\/en\/blog-archivo\/grandpa-gypsies-and-the-birth-of-flamenco\/","title":{"rendered":"Grandpa, Gypsies and the birth of flamenco"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"paragraph\">\n<p><b>-Grandpa, there\u2019s a big fuss with that group of Gypsy intellectuals trying to get the\u00a0<i>Junta de Andaluc\u00eda<\/i>\u00a0to officially declare that flamenco was created by Andalusian Gypsies. Is that even possible? Imagine if later the Africans would ask for the same thing, wanting to honor the old Africans of Jerez, the \u201c<i>slaves of fandango<\/i>\u201d, who had so much influence in this art, and then the Andalusian Arabs and Sephardi Jews would want the same thing. What a mess, isn\u2019t it?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>-I think it\u2019s great that the Gypsy people, particularly the Andalusian Gypsies, want to claim what they believe is rightfully theirs. Just like they want to do with the art of bullfighting.\u00a0<i>La Junta<\/i>\u00a0is also very pro-Gypsy, that\u2019s why they gave the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!%C2%BFVuelve-lo-de-la-Llave-del-Cante\/c112t\/563987c60cf275e9c596a72e\">Golden Key of Cante<\/a>\u00a0posthumously to\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/single-post\/2017\/06\/18\/%E2%80%8B-Un-cuarto-de-siglo-sin-Camar%C3%B3n\">Camar\u00f3n<\/a>\u00a0and not to\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!Aquel-jilguero-de-Marchena\/c112t\/5661105c0cf25333685e0a03\">Pepe Marchena<\/a>, or why they awarded the title \u201c<i>Favoured Son of Andalusia<\/i>\u201d to\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!Hablando-de-cante-con-Mairena\/c112t\/5760d1d50cf29542aa289730\">Antonio Mairena<\/a>\u00a0and not to\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!Honores-a-Don-Antonio-Fosforito\/c112t\/571d84e50cf26b6d68419e56\">Fosforito<\/a>. So, if now the Gypsies want the\u00a0<i>Junta<\/i>\u00a0to declare that flamenco was created by them, this will likely happen.<\/p>\n<p><b>-So, grandpa, would the non-Gypsies also be officially declared to have created the non-Gypsy aspects of flamenco?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>-I guess so, Manolito. Maybe the Junta will make a Solomonic decision, splitting flamenco in two, and that will be the end of the story, problem solved. Yet, we can\u2019t forget that flamenco was created and developed in Andalusia, and it wasn\u2019t just Gypsies who took part in its development. It\u2019s not like if, before the Gypsies arrived in Andalusia, people here were all unable to sing and dance with art and grace. However, it\u2019s true that some aspects of flamenco, some styles, are undoubtedly Gypsy, or were performed by them in a unique way, as they were generally gifted for music and dance. In a Gypsy way, that is.<\/p>\n<p><b>-How are those Gypsy intellectuals going to prove that flamenco was created by Gypsies?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>-I have no idea, I guess they\u2019ll figure it out. They probably did a lot of research, right? I suppose that one of them may have found flamenco\u2019s Foundation Charter, from that meeting in C\u00e1diz where El Planeta, El Fillo, Frasco el Colorao and Mar\u00eda Borrico created\u00a0<i>cante gitano<\/i>. I guess that there wasn\u2019t any non-Gypsy person in that meeting, of course. So, if they have that Charter, they\u2019ll have the legitimacy to claim that Gypsies created flamenco.<\/p>\n<p><b>-You\u2019re kidding me, right, grandpa?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>-Just a little. Now, all joking aside, no one with the most basic common sense can take such initiative seriously, because it\u2019s nonsense. Everyone is aware of the importance of Gypsies in flamenco, and of the quality of Gypsy performers though history and in our days. Yet, we can\u2019t forget that the first news about this art as a public artistic manifestation mention both Gypsy and non-Gypsy performers. That was two centuries ago and always, always Gypsies and non-Gypsies in flamenco have got along just great and worked on the same stages. There were originally two different schools, although not as different as some people think, and there still are two different schools, even as they\u2019re becoming increasingly undifferentiated. Was really\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!Cincuenta-y-seis-a%C3%B1os-sin-Vallejo\/c112t\/57a7f29a0cf2fdb0f74c5fa8\">Manuel Vallejo<\/a>\u00a0that different from\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!Cuarenta-y-seis-a%C3%B1os-sin-Pastora\/c112t\/565548780cf2a1cf6d1811d5\">Ni\u00f1a de los Peines<\/a>, or\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!Un-dolor-llamado-Morente\/c112t\/5665034b0cf203d325ed5a96\">Enrique Morente<\/a>\u00a0from Camar\u00f3n? Not at all. The same goes with\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!Ram%C3%B3n-Montoya\/c112t\/5695df660cf263fc5a881f60\">Ram\u00f3n Montoya<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.expoflamenco.net\/#!Ni%C3%B1o-Ricardo\/c112t\/569584120cf2e099256bbfdd\">Ni\u00f1o Ricardo<\/a>. They were performers of the same music, although each of them had their own, unique style.<\/p>\n<p><b>-What will happen with the\u00a0<i>malague\u00f1as<\/i>\u00a0of Chac\u00f3n, El Canario and La Trini? Will they no longer be credited to their authors?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>-That\u2019s an interesting question. Well, I hadn\u2019t thought of that. Then there\u2019s the\u00a0<i>fandangos<\/i>\u00a0of El Sevillano and Vallejo, the\u00a0<i>soleares<\/i>\u00a0of Jos\u00e9 Lorente and Ram\u00f3n de Triana, the\u00a0<i>tarantas<\/i>\u00a0of El Rojo and Escacena. What a mess, Manolito. Ni\u00f1o de Elche will have to pay back all he has earned with flamenco. Same with Arc\u00e1ngel, Poveda, Roc\u00edo M\u00e1rquez\u2026 Gee, this can get real ugly!<\/p>\n<p><b>-Can we say that this is utterly stupid, grandpa?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>-Yes, absolutely. There\u2019s no way around it, no matter how you look at it. I get that Gypsies get jealous because they\u2019ve been making a living off flamenco for at least two centuries. But the same goes for non-Gypsies as well, as it can be easily proven. So, what they should do is forget about this nonsense, and instead acknowledge in some way that the Gypsies have successfully preserved those musical and dance forms, perhaps better than non-Gypsies in Andalusia. That, among other things. Yet, if what they want is an official document stating that flamenco is solely theirs, then no. There would be no need for such thing, anyway, because we can see all they\u2019ve contributed and continue to contribute to flamenco. Flamenco is unconceivable without the Gypsies of Andalusia, or course. Gypsies have also traditionally been good merchants, blacksmiths and shearers, yet that doesn\u2019t mean they should claim those occupations as solely theirs, either.<\/p>\n<p><b>-You make so much sense, grandpa.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>-Just wait and you\u2019ll see people thinking otherwise.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Translated by P. Young<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<hr \/>\n<div class=\"paragraph\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Illustration: study for\u00a0<em>El Jaleo\u00a0<\/em>, by\u00a0John Singer Sargent (1882)\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>-Grandpa, there\u2019s a big fuss with that group of [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":9536,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[66],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5454","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-blog-archivo"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Grandpa, Gypsies and the birth of flamenco - Archivo Expoflamenco<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/expoflamenco.com\/archivo\/en\/blog-archivo\/grandpa-gypsies-and-the-birth-of-flamenco\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Grandpa, Gypsies and the birth of flamenco - 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