{"id":20954,"date":"2020-08-05T11:36:38","date_gmt":"2020-08-05T09:36:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.expoflamenco.com\/archivo\/?p=20954"},"modified":"2020-08-05T11:36:38","modified_gmt":"2020-08-05T09:36:38","slug":"grandpa-and-flamencos-private-parties","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/expoflamenco.com\/archivo\/en\/bordonazo-new\/grandpa-and-flamencos-private-parties\/","title":{"rendered":"Grandpa and flamenco\u2019s private parties"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>-Grandpa, have flamenco\u2019s private parties been an important feature of this art, or is this something that has been romanticized a bit too much? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>-First let\u2019s be clear on what we\u2019re talking about here. Flamenco\u2019s private parties were small flamenco gatherings, held in so-called <em>cuartos<\/em> or <em>cuartitos<\/em> (\u201c<em>little rooms<\/em>\u201d), where cante, baile and toque were performed by flamencos in the old days, for the enjoyment of a wealthy aficionado, the so-called <em>se\u00f1orito<\/em>, who paid for the performance and thus allowed these flamenco artists to make a living. It\u2019s perhaps something of the past, but there are still <em>cantaores<\/em> who enjoy performing in a <em>cuarto<\/em>, if not to make a living, then just to have a good time performing in a small social gathering.<\/p>\n<p><strong>-Well, I think that any good artist must be a good performer on the stage, otherwise they wouldn\u2019t be much of an artist. Although it\u2019s true that private gatherings are more for knowledgeable aficionados, while in theatres just anybody can show up, as long as they pay their ticket.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>-You nailed it Manolo. Look, Manuel Torres, Mojama, Tom\u00e1s Pav\u00f3n and Matrona, just to name a few examples, were <em>cantaores<\/em> of private parties. I don\u2019t say this to underrate or look down on them, it\u2019s just that they would only perform at ease at small gatherings. The <em>se\u00f1orito<\/em> paying for the whole thing would certainly be well-versed in flamenco. Whoever knows nothing about cante might be touched by a sole\u00e1, but they would miss all of the nuances and details. Mairena was amazing performing in a <em>cuarto<\/em>, and after he got used to performing in larger venues, he was amazing on stage too. Yet, that\u2019s rather unusual. Mairena was exceptional.<\/p>\n<p><strong>-Would performing in those private parties be even worth it? How much could possibly Tom\u00e1s charge for singing in a <em>cuarto<\/em>? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>-Not a lot, just enough to have something to eat the next day. Yet, that\u2019s how he made a living. When he was a little boy he tried the stage, and he found it was not for him. Only once he sang on a stage, as far as I know, and he would not have enjoyed the experience at all. The Pavons didn\u2019t like the limelight. Particularly Arturo, who disliked the stage even more than Tom\u00e1s. Pastora didn\u2019t like to perform on stage either, but she did it to support her family. Do you know how much Pastora earned each day when she performed for the Vedrines and Monserrat companies? Almost one thousand pesetas, equivalent to three or four months the average worker\u2019s wage in those days. That\u2019s why she would perform on stage. She liked jewelry, expensive fur coats, the good life. Above all, though, she liked helping her loved ones, and she was a very generous woman.<\/p>\n<p><strong>-Who would you like to listen to in a private party, among the cantaores of our days? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Manuel Moneo and Fernando de la Morena, for example. Many others too. Like \u00c1lvarez, another <em>cantaor de cuartito<\/em>. Also the Pa\u00f1eros, who have a natural <em>pellizco<\/em>. They\u2019re the real deal, you know?<\/p>\n<p><strong>-What about Miguel Poveda? \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>-He belongs to the stages, where he\u2019s amazing. He knows his public well, and he knows exactly what to give them. I can\u2019t quite picture him performing in a private party, though. He lacks depth in the basic cantes, do you know what I mean? I don\u2019t question his talent, but if I were to spend some time in a private party, I\u2019d rather listen to Antonio Reyes, a <em>cantaor de cuartito<\/em> who is also great on stage. Same with Jes\u00fas M\u00e9ndez, from Jerez. Listen carefull what I\u2019m going to tell you: keep an eye on him, because he possesses what\u2019s most important, the basics, what cannot be learn on a course. He has the gift of voice, the flamenco \u201cmetal\u201d. He sets his cantes very well and on stage he\u2019s awesome. I believe he\u2019ll go far.<\/p>\n<p><strong>-\u00bfWhat about cantaoras?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>-I\u2019d get in a private party with Dolores Agujetas, In\u00e9s Bac\u00e1n and La Ca\u00edta, for example. Not because they\u2019re pure gypsy, but because they have depth and they take me to another age. There\u2019s also Mayte Mart\u00edn, she\u2019s great anywhere. She\u2019s an artist, that says it all.<\/p>\n<p><strong>-You\u2019re naming names and then you get in trouble, grandpa, you know that.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>-Yes, I know that well. But it\u2019s impossible to name one hundred names, so I just mention the essential ones. Everyone has their own tastes and opinions, which must be respected, which is what I do, respect everyone\u2019s tastes. All this, Manolo, many times is just a matter of personal taste.<\/p>\n<p><strong>-Grandpa, tell me of one evening when you went to a private party with some important artist. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>-Let me tell you, I\u2019ve experienced some unforgettable gatherings. I remember a special moment with Enrique Morente and El Pele, who had a lot of respect for each other. That night, Enrique just let El Pele sing all night, and he sang brilliantly. Another evening back in 1989, I spent six hours in a cuarto at the Venta Vega in Seville, with Morente and Eduardo de la Malena. It was one of the greatest things I\u2019ve experienced. For about three or four hours Morent didn\u2019t open his mouth, letting everyone else sing. By sunrise, Malena asked him to do something and he sang some alegrias in a low voice. I was just spectacular. Enrique singing in a <em>cuarto<\/em> was like that: spectacular.<\/p>\n<p><strong>-You have almost convinced me grandpa. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>-Glad to hear.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Flamenco\u2019s private parties were small flamenco gatherings, held in so-called cuartos or cuartitos (\u201clittle rooms\u201d), where cante, baile and toque were performed by flamencos in the old days, for the enjoyment of a wealthy aficionado, the so-called se\u00f1orito, who paid for the performance and thus allowed these flamenco artists to make a living.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":20953,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[256],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-20954","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bordonazo-new"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - 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