{"id":12664,"date":"2019-05-30T12:28:33","date_gmt":"2019-05-30T10:28:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.expoflamenco.com\/archivo\/?p=12664"},"modified":"2019-05-30T19:15:43","modified_gmt":"2019-05-30T17:15:43","slug":"a-conversation-with-camaron","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/expoflamenco.com\/archivo\/en\/bordonazo-new\/a-conversation-with-camaron\/","title":{"rendered":"A conversation with Camar\u00f3n"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>These days I\u2019ve been thinking about the emotion we feel when we listen to flamenco, and about how our knowledge of this art affects that emotion. I didn\u2019t have many conversations with <strong>Camar\u00f3n de la Isla<\/strong>, maybe two or three. One of them was in Montreux, Switzerland, when we were joined by <strong>Quincy Jones<\/strong>, the great American musician and producer, who that night was enthralled by the Gypsy <em>cantaor<\/em>. Talking about the emotion felt while performing or listening to <em>cante<\/em>, Camar\u00f3n said something that struck me: \u201cI don\u2019t feel as much emotion now as I felt at the beginning of my career, when I would hear an aficionado singing in a tavern and my eyes would well up with tears\u201d. Quincy Jones nodded in agreement when the translator conveyed the words of <strong>Jos\u00e9 Monge<\/strong><sup>1<\/sup>, and I got chills, because I felt the same way as the genius.<\/p>\n<p>When I was a teenager, when I started to develop an interest in <em>cante<\/em>, I remember listening to aficionados at gatherings in the taverns with tears rolling down my cheeks, overcome with emotion, not yet knowing if they were singing properly or not, not knowing if they knew what they were doing or if they were mixing up <em>seguiriya<\/em> of <em><strong>Paco de la Luz<\/strong> <\/em>with another of <strong><em>Viejo de la Isla<\/em><\/strong>. I remember thinking to myself \u201cif I cry like this now, knowing nothing about <em>cante<\/em>, I can only imagine how much I\u2019ll cry when I understand it better!\u201d. Yet, I haven\u2019t cried more, not at all, perhaps because being a flamenco critic has hardened my heart, after having studied so much <em>cante<\/em> and so many <em>cantaores<\/em>. Maybe it\u2019s also due to the fact that, when I get on my seat in a theater to listen to a performance, I do it more to analyse how it\u2019s done, and not to appreciate how the performance is felt and lived, which is what impressed me the most, forty years ago, when I would get the shivers listening an aficionado sing a <em>fandango de <strong>Caracol<\/strong>\u00a0<\/em>in some bar. I talked about this with Camar\u00f3n that night, and he said that he felt the same way, and that because of it he always tried to spend some time with aficionados, in bars or in <em>pe\u00f1as<\/em>. \u201cI like picking up the guitar and accompany aficionados who may be out of tune, but who sing with their whole soul\u201d, he said.<\/p>\n<p>A few days ago I was in Mairena del Alcor in a gathering of <em>cantaores<\/em>, good ones, who not only perform on stages but also partake in bars. I felt so much emotion that I started singing, which is something I don\u2019t do often. I needed to get out all the emotion I felt when listening to these pure and humble small-town <em>cantaores<\/em>, who sing with all their heart and soul, without trying to impress anyone. <em>Cantaores<\/em> that throw their <em>cante<\/em> in our faces, because they\u2019re so close to us. In theaters, there is always this sort of \u201cinvisible barrier\u201d separating us from the <em>cantaor<\/em>. Professional <em>cantaores<\/em> must provide a minimum standard of quality, so, before getting on stage, they\u2019ll check the sound system, the lightning and all those technical details that do not exist in gatherings of aficionados or in private parties, where everything is simple and natural.<\/p>\n<p>Camar\u00f3n told me a story from the time he was very young, when he was in a private party where Caracol was singing. The master sang exceptionally well, giving it all, with no mic or any sort of technical resource, having had quite a few drinks, too. Camar\u00f3n was thrilled to be in the company of the old Gypsy from Seville, and made a comment about the <em>cante<\/em> he had just heard. <strong>Manuel Ortega<\/strong><sup>2<\/sup> told him: \u201cIt is here where you should learn. The tricks are for the theaters.\u201d I have thought about that, these days. About how the emotion of listening to <em>cante<\/em> diminishes as we widen our knowledge about <em>cante<\/em> and <em>cantaores<\/em>, learning about their tricks and cheats.<\/p>\n<p>The only way to remain in my old profession as a flamenco critic is getting now and then into those gatherings of aficionados and professionals who like to get in the party, singing without a guitar and keeping the beat knuckling on a table or on the bar\u2019s counter. Going back to flamenco\u2019s roots is not just studying the old shellac records, but finding the emotion in the <em>cantaor<\/em> who sings for himself, and not for a public that typically knows little about this art.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><sup>1<\/sup> Jos\u00e9 Monge Cruz, &#8220;Camar\u00f3n de la Isla&#8221; (sometimes spelled <em>Monje<\/em>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: small;\"><sup>2<\/sup> Manuel Ortega Ju\u00e1rez, &#8220;Caracol&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<h6 style=\"text-align: right;\"><strong>This article was originally published on December 16th, 2015<\/strong><\/h6>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The only way to remain in my old profession as a flamenco critic is getting now and then into those gatherings of aficionados and professionals who like to get in the party, singing without a guitar and keeping the beat knuckling on a table or on the bar\u2019s counter.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":12660,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[256],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-12664","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bordonazo-new"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - 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